>>host: what would you say one paragraph?

>> the holdover from the obama administration and the justice department have the coup d'état that donald trump never continues in the book is the steps that donald trump must take in order to preserve the constitution and what i allege is basically treason. >> i really didn't attach a lot of meaning that maybe you can define in your view the same thing? or how do you differentiate? >> they have different meanings but with that same

concept that there is a group of entrenched interest in the bureaucracy with those intelligence agencies of the justice department but also other agencies the agenda is the internationalist agenda with that new world order and hence the united states is archaic many of these people in the entrenched bureaucracy are relatively young through their 50s or 60s but at the same time with the democratic party politics with more extreme version so the

deep state they could be called the shadow government because that is their own bureaucratic wishes to elect donald trump and of course he has termed that the swamp the term that most immediately understand so the creatures coming out of the swamp are fighting back for their turf. >> and to have that persistent bureaucracy and by that i mean that those would change as the personnel would stay the same is that part of it?

>> yes i so tremendously admired your work and really that identifies many of the same issues but to your point in terms of the persistence of the bureaucracy to do what it wants to do come i often said one of the shocks when they first come into office is to realize the president gives the executive order but in the show up to say i'm sorry but we can't do that because there is a flaw in this regulation it isn't consistent with what we are required to do and now the president will realize that it is more than just

making a decision or writing the executive order to govern when you have this entrenched bureaucracy to enforce policy and then find out they are not on your mission and to be diametrically opposed as the principal and donald trump to find this out even with ryan's previous and the others and then to help to get obamacare repealed and replaced but that didn't happen. president trump, like what president johnson has done to passing legislation those to

get that past and then they began to say that would follow wall street so he is learning the lessons and realizing that the deep state entrenched cia they really do intend that he understands for the presidency for the constitution and the republic itself is what it is all about. >>host: was there a precise moment to say that that was a shadow government? >> i suppose it goes all the

way back to kennedy when i was 17 at the time. and certainly as a young man the way to find out those shots that seemed almost impossible and then oswald is shot on the sunday and i think i'm watching a play. to be produced were we are not supposed to know the real story because the patsy has been killed that began to think even at that moment they

knew he was warned that the beaches were significant because kennedy understood when he gave his speech for instance to declare the willingness to work directly to allow the generals who he had come to realize with the cuban missile crisis and even though nuclear war so the idea not only determined on policy but to be a completely different war with russia and with that engaging in the

assassination if they don't get what they want to fundamentally change war policy that was the recognition the presidency is constantly fighting with the deep state cia directed bureaucracy capable of engaging in criminal acts like era like -- air america et cetera and iran-contra. but when they read my book i can document that coup d'état effort within the fbi to prevent donald trump from being president pulled over from the obama administration from hillary clinton also to make sure to be quickly removed from office and to be

increasingly documented will shock people to realize the extent that plan is serious with that coup d'état effort. >> what word you say not at this moment in time is the goal? >> it is to be the internationalist people with the justice department like john brennan for instance has a deep history with obama with the passport records were sanitized in 2008 for the election cycle and the national security advisor with the cia i think it is highly

possible with his career in the state department to demonstrate he speaks arabic and the policy within the cia that was justice department there was a great number more brought into the administration of islamic radical terrorism was ruled out more than the internationalist but if you towards that policy attitude of the european union or the international court you would see in the united nations and the policy wonks in the positions of power and justice as well as the irs have a termination that conservatives

were equivalent to the white supremacist and not listen to because the future was the world order where we would go to internationalism beyond the united states of america. president obama was fond of thinking beyond america. so for those conservatives who are patriots so it is the recognition that the true patriots it isn't racism or zeno phobia. i march 200 miles in iran 2005

would be the muslims or iranians to have freedom in their country. so i argue it is a smear for those who are recognized as appropriate because we are patriots because of the scene no phones long -- to show that division in that deep state bureaucracy with the coup d'état within the state department with the fbi and cia and the whole justice system and we see that with info wars working with washington bureau chief to be

constantly under attack as the cnn attack. or lying about what we do report or the lawsuits filed and constantly under this attack and to delegitimize anybody that disagrees with them. >> one of the new things i saw overtime was the trend of entirely which was new to me when it first started to happen and that struck me as

strange. >> this is one of the points we have a similar experience. and the info wars we are proud to be. >> but what is the definition? then to be described as a conspiracy theory but then the disinformation generated by media matters which and then descends on the publication and a pullout the poverty law center which the hard left is in hate it is called the hate left because it wants to

eliminate the first amendment not interested in freedom of speech or religion and it is not interested in the amendment with the right to bear arms and questioning the fourth amendment with all the social media so the desktop of the cia and nsa with a massive amount of intelligence to be gathered on the american people inappropriately. so we are fighting internally. sylvia info wars. >> a think it is one of the best definitions called it the

most disruptive new service with a hard left mainstream ed consensus was that dissemination the storyline of the multinational corporations but i will not be interviewed by abc or cbs or nbc they don't want the story told. now info wars has been able to challenge and threaten the mainstream media consensus so much so they attack and your

that they rely on the lawsuits that are not even filed to disparage alex jones when really they did not listen to say -- to hear what he is saying. is misinformation attacks is calculated by media matters the annual fundraising efforts a document with pride how they get conservatives like dobbs or have people removed from the networks because they attack and make up things not only about you but if you read the wikileaks description or wikipedia. >> there is something to be said the agenda editor can see any acts of the country to be published.

>> with info wars is costly affected by that wikipedia editors who constantly demand that we are called the negative smear words with a conspiracy theorist but pointing out there is that coup d'état against president trump shows the evidence. >> that would be a conspiracy theory. >> except it is a conspiracy that will -- fact and that is the problem and they want to control the language and the dialogue they want to basically call with the doing patriotic but really they want to destroy the constitution and be beyond america. if you take a look at the hard left in california it has nothing to do with what the

conservative rest of the country one. they will not only accept they have lost the election with the mirrored --dash. >> do not by hillary clinton's which was a redo of the media matters or george soros funded that hard left lying. >> it does sound very supportive of the trunk presidency who is not particularly conservative although changes his mind from time to time but how did this come about? >> at least going back to the 80s i had a career in financial services working internationally and brought the in united states for a couple of years i lived in the plaza hotel and got to know donald trump quite well so

some people i was working with was doing business with him buying the gm building down the street from the plaza in new york and that is just one example. i always admired donald trump and had a great rapport with him i thought he was misrepresented if you knew him , he is really a generous person and cares deeply about the hotel and the unions he hired about everybody on the planet to work for him more women in his organization than hillary clinton ever hired in her campaign. and that learn how to live with it and donald trumbull is looks like he will lose just before he went he has a remarkable capability of winning i have been a supporter and have watched him and when he began to run for the presidency i was very

enthusiastic again it will be disruptive to the leftist agenda they don't want the american people so i have identified those intelligence working closely with trump that this is a narrative goes back to the fact the constitutional be preserved and donald trump will turn the tide and he has weathered the first attack with the attempt to teach him has failed and i

say that because to have that indictment of those wacky russians posting things on the internet that the department of justice said did not influence the election and donald trump did not get involved with and that is all we got to have a prosecution of general flynn for lying which i'm not sure that he did but this is the first attempt and it failed so now what happens is he loses the counterattack and the initial stages of that maybe one year or two years but before he is done i'm convinced he will take seriously the potential charges of treason which i believe could be launched as high ancillary clinton and barack obama and i don't thank you will hesitate to do that.

>> so the highlights of your educational background and your job history? >> my history is pretty complex ipad, and i think anybody will ever fully put together the things i have done but i was born in cleveland and went to high school in missouri then to harvard and harvard paid for me to get my phd. i applied as an undergraduate and at harvard i got my phd 1972. i had done a lot of writing at that time not even on violence and terrorism but i had a top-secret clients under under contract with the state department working on terrorism trained by some of the top psychiatrist and a second large career in financial services which i continue and work with

insurance companies and banks all around the world. very strongly in the united states and when i co-authored with john neil with to go against john kerry which he was really the hero that gave me the opportunity to begin another career working 12 years from wmd.com as a journalist and two years ago i really began working full-time as a washington correspondent with info wars. >> you began your book with the smoking gun. >> this is one of the critical pieces of the inspector general and then to have that

position with those messages that they exchanged, they wrote so many instant messages and how they had time but when you read them they are solidly anti- page trump it is the hate left and it is a disaster and the catastrophe they say to one another. >> i will read a couple of paragraphs left. >> what it makes clear is that the stroke in the high-ranking beyond officials to make sure he ever serves then that

insurance policy and those that they explained to the trump campaign. >> but if that change to be the steel bar originally done by those trying to oppose trump. he had all these challenges that everybody thought would be impossible hillary clinton picked up the dossier to started to fund it. and move the campaign to also fund that and they moved the payments to what defended the barack obama law firm clearly a partisan model from that has

worked with the democrats. >> as far as we know you are stating that this is legal behavior? be back i'm not an attorney but i question how they were paid by the campaign but now we get into that here legality of the fusion gps with approval of the surveillance and the fisa court does not explain that when the fisa court saw on the fbi the fusion gps dossier those were the reasons to do a small

member at this point. i do not believe, and and we have not seen the actual fisa court arguments or representations but for those who have, it seems to be clear that the fbi could not substantiate the claims or replicate the dossier to have an origin of opposition research that the two material facts that convince the court not to do electronic surveillance and for the officers of the court and the fbi and those who read the arguments to the fisa court with that inaccurate form, the document is a crime. >> also documenting from those sources and that is so

precisely what i came in about that. then they go back to the drawing board from electronics and then with the surveillance of foreigners. . . . .

>> going back to the court to get permission. so carter page talks to the group in the campaign. they're all under electronic surveillance. carter page was involved in 2015 also with the russians sting the department of justice conducted. i continue to question whether he is an undercover doj agent which is not yet been verified but has been speculated. then a number of trump people are under surveillance. this comes into the white house. white house unmasks the name. it's no longer person a, b or c. >> was the procedure put in place surveillance is most be very rare. when it happens it says we will mask the name so nobody can use the. >> and then it comes to the white house and valerie jarrett

begins on masking the names and identifying these people who are under collateral surveillance. >> political enemies in some cases. >> and this gets leaked to the press. these are crimes. and if in fact the intent was to deny donald trump either legitimate right to be a candidate or to produce the evidence to impeach him. this surveillance was approved four times by the fisa court and continued to this and under donald trump. the department of justice getting approval under him to do this.

>> you talk about the theory that the larger intelligence community goes into the deep state. i think some of the best evidence may have come a march 17 when john brennan issued an old and over-the-top angry tweet. here's what he said. the first center of your political corruption becomes known, you will take your rifle place in the disgraced demagogue of history. you may scapegoat andy mccabe you will not destroy america. and then obama's former ambassador to the united nations tweets out say, not a good idea to piss off john brennan. i found astounding that former political officials will be

having these comments as if they went over the public rather than serving the public. >> those are good points. the brennan memo falls in the category of letters you write to the sunnis you write them you rip them up and don't send them. you got it out of your system. you don't want to go public. also, it had the tendency to act as if he was still in the cia and you could influence what the cia was doing. are the people in the cia listening to a brennan is telling them to do. are they undermining the presidency? at a minimum, why he thought he could take a stick and poke his nose there is hard to

comprehend. >> both brennan and power have acknowledged that extremely controversial practice of on masking names of citizens including political enemies captured during intelligence, how almost daily during the 2016 election. >> the astonishing thing, to go to a slightly different subject on the hillary e-mail, i prove during the campaign that whom vomiting had access but she was sending them to her yahoo.com account and some release by judicial wash that they had sensitive information and could have been picked up by anybody who she gave durst used her name and the password. president obama had a pseudonym

e-mail address that he used to communicated over hillary's private e-mails server while she was secretary of state and out of the country. i guess when they were looking at how they were going to cast come a statement which was rewritten by mccabe and officials in the fbi, they would have had to possibly indict barack obama for violation of the same security requirements. >> it said hillary clinton had e-mailed the president from russia on this unclassified in the excise that from the statement. >> president obama responded with a pseudonym to go over the clinton e-mail server which would be a specific violation.

when comey does his statement to the public, not only to see the get into mccabe who is not been fired at the recommendation of the inspector general for lying repeatedly under oath and leaking information, when they rewrote comey statement during the election they not only change terms like grossly negligent to extremely careless which is not the legal definition of a criminal, they also changed that it was president obama who use the server with a pseudonym e-mail to a top official government. so the sanitizing. the shocking recognitions was that the numbness only had

detail and killing the deep state, not only did it involved donald trump losing the election but if you wanted he would be impeached, it was protecting hillary clinton so she would not be incited. >> if he was against trump, why did he issue that statement right before the election that the hillary campaign blames for her loss huddy explained that? >> is something i had a role in plane that one. i was reporting on the reporters and trying to figure out if we were at the yahoo account for through to a computer that wasn't on the state department system, the suggestion was, how about anthony weiner's computer.

so the police department saw several appeals say why don't you go get his laptop so him being this criminal likely he was doing this once elect they with certain of the fbi officials in new york went to seize the computer. so now, what they realizes the nypd would be happy to release what they finding comey doesn't reinitiate the investigation. one way or the other the more damaging information could've come out. i called up the new york police department shortly after comey made the statement which

reversed and opened up again and was closed down again i called the nypd and said where's the computer. he said they came in here and took everything. they took the computer notes said were off the case. they took it to washington and then comey made his statement that the opening have been re- closed. he didn't have a choice because when he had to go to loretta lynch's either we begin the investigation or you'll read these in the papers. when that material is made public it will validate the claims from the arguments that explain what the shocking material, with the killing of the deep state i wrote the book to say we have to kill that deep

state. smudges preserving donald trump selection, it's making sure we understand we have rogue justices in a rogue intelligence agency politicized euthanized and if hillary one to affect all the censoring, it would've been done with no recourse. and already you have google attempting to cancel my e-mail account which they rescinded, tacking alex jones, you see the difficulties facebook is an realizing its sharing of political information for political campaigns. so instead of every step you take it's every click you make. we are watching you. and eric schmidt's up be in one

of the chief advisers to hillary clinton's campaign. and all the google data is transferred to the clinton campaign to be used as their get out and vote effort. that's not shared with donald trump. it's when i believe. >> some disclaimer that we don't read. fourteen paragraph disclaimer. this is why i think this internet bill of rights will be an important idea. you can have corporate giants one legal paragraph stuck away in a document that nobody reads that everybody has to agree to, that cannot deprive you of your first amendment rights. that will be a key issue coming the battle i for see the and

fought out in the federal trade commission where i believe the real regulation of the internet needs to be. i'm predicting that these internet giants have to be regulated. you have to have fundamental rights incorporated into these internet giants, even if it involves antitrust action to break them up. >> mentally james comey too quickly, to think trump would've been better off not firing him and befriending the deep state, or working with it rather than fighting it? >> it was not possible. the only mistake you made was to not fire him immediately. james comey was happy to smile at trump and then go about sticking a knife in his back.

what comey did is the same thing into mccabe did. they wrote the secret memos to themselves documenting the meetings they have. anyone with experience in the corporate world known the self-serving memos written by you to the file have limited value. you're trying to make the version you want of the most favorable make and the other person look bad. and i don't think it's an accident that comey's book will be published on top of my book, killing the deep state. all the interviews from abc. hubby betrayed is having a higher honor.

that's why think it's remarkable the book has already become number one in various categories in the amazon. it's one of the better selling books, maybe one of the best-selling books ever written on donald trump and his presidency. it will be constantly fought by the mainstream media which doesn't want you to hear what i wrote in killing the deep state. >> host: you have examples of comey and mueller working together on several projects. one is the marc rich pardon convicted of tax-writing trading with iran during the embassy hostage crisis. >> also bill clinton parted. >> what's the point of including mr. in the book? >> that's where it started. the partnership. there's a couple i think are

significant and i'm writing about them today. one is the role that mueller played when he was head of the fbi with making sure the uranium one bribery scandal has been revealed by campbell who is a client married to joe who is working with this president. the point is, mueller played a cover up role because had that been known by the committee on the investment of the united states, the provision of russia's state-owned energy company which was shipped out of the united states contrary to the lies told at the time, that

would've never been granted. bill clinton would not have gotten 5000-dollar fee for one speech. the clinton foundation would not have gotten $145 million and contribution et cetera. >> i believe they said she had nothing to do with the approval. >> she sat on the committee and did not actually participate in the vote. that's absurd. everybody had a brain. hillary clinton set i won't sit on this one the person she had it's her surrogate was summoned she had an interest for pleasing her. now the bank, which was laundering money, billions of dollars for drug criminals and for international terrorists, john cruz, a banker from long island came with a thousand

pages that he walked out of the bank with trying to blow the whistle. this is clear evidence of money laundering. is contacted by homeland security and ultimately ended up with $1.9 million fine paid by hsbc. comey was on that board when it happened. >> not yet fbi director was sitting on the board of the spank. >> precisely. and have responsibility over the banks activities we should've included figuring out there is money laundry going on. mueller was head of the fbi. loretta lynch was the u.s. attorney who negotiated nobody goes to prison. with these people working together making sure these things are covered up some

possible they control the can's currency. if i found out with a thousand pages he bought me he tried to talk to these people. they did not want to hear it. they can see money laundering going on that should be known by the intelligence agency. you cannot run the drug industry without them being involved. and those characters were the cover-up artists. >> i read a brief section. euro by allowing the bank to avoid criminal charges and pleading guilty to money laundering, both the mexican drug cartel and terrorist groups, comic, mueller, lynch and holt were playing major roles in deep state operatives. skipping ahead, serving on the hsbc board was not comey's only chance to cash in on the deep

state of various assignments, from 2005 - 2010 comey served as general counsel and senior vice president for lockheed martin. a major contractor for which he and $6 million. >> right. that's a nice payoff. in wikileaks pointed out that comey in 2009 trip to russia where hillary had mueller on the trip had robert mueller traveled to russia with uranium samples that were supposedly from the heist in theft and east germany. what was he doing on that trip? what was that visit all about in 2009? why did it take wikileaks to

reveal it? these deep state operatives again have ties that i think are shocking. shocking to see the extent to which larry clinton barack obama and now down to the operatives of robert mueller have all been working together on various projects. >> is there any plus side to the notion of a deep state? no single president or administration could do that much to drastically change or hurt the country? >> emily go back to it john kennedy said. break up the cia into a thousand pieces and replaced -- as head. the mistake you made was not to do it that day. if you have a rogue apparatus of the cia justice, it's no surprise that tea party

activists cannot get their 5o1c3 for applications approved. no surprise that all of the politicalization of the department of justice was aimed at the detriment of law-enforcement. joe pyo being part. and opposed set of rules that had to do with antidiscrimination and car stops of hispanics. president trump pardoned him as the leader of the democratic national committee, this is the hard nature of these organizations. i cannot see any benefit to

weapon eyes, politicizing partisan cia, doj, fbi, name them all, i think president trump frustrations in dealing with that is apparent. he said let's just tear it down and start over. >> to get through a few more questions. to kill the deep state they must defeat mueller's plan to remove him from office one way or the other. >> this investigation has come to an end. mueller is out of gas. he is now fishing. that's where he's at. putting it to an end the clearest way that i write in the book is to get mueller himself under criminal investigation. let's get an honest grand jury that targets and sip robert mueller to produce all of his

documents from the uranium one. illegitimately calls the department of justice and i believe he resigns. >> is anything trump should have done differently besides acting more quickly to get rid of comey? is he responsible for making think so hard on himself? >> there's nothing trump can do that these operatives, media matters a motivated group funded behind the scenes, trump voters if he orders russian salad dressing for lunch will be conspiring with putin. matter what he can do i had press credentials the last three weeks in 2012.

the job of the mainstream media press wasn't to cover the speech on economics, it was asked got you questions about abortion or anything to get a headline on. they would joke about who did the best article that made romney look like a jerk. when you're dealing with the deep state of his vocal arm is the mainstream media, and their job with dealing with each other about what they accomplish is to make you look bad, donald trump is right in targeting. this is got to be put to an end. of the left doesn't realize it. they think we have identity politics, socialist, european-style communists utop

utopia. we can politicize entire government to go against conservatives and make sure no conservative is on social media. everybody has lawsuits. to be a wonderful world. they never realized a deep state can turn on them too. we should not have a politicize a weapon eyes bureaucracy. then it would be time, it's protecting these bureaucrats from being fired because her senior managements, close the departments. stir dealing with the bureaucracy not by firing your crespo by closing agencies. >> to those who won't read the book and say your conspiracy theories with ridiculous theories, what you say?

>> it's to their detriment. they won't look at the 20 pages of footnotes or the documented evidence. what's happening is the narrative is changing. trump is fighting a propaganda attack. there's no evidence similar says we have to look harder. the week to defeated is to undermine those advancing it. when you realize the crimes committed by mccabe, the line under oath and leaking of information which could go up to the obama white house with leaking information, unmasking names and leaking, these are crimes. the american people understand crimes are committed and see them. these two will be an eye-opener. we understand the whole district thing. >> one word, once -- who wins?

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